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  • maria1

     Some say that depression is anger turned inward. Can you express your depression. Does overwhelming loss trigger your depression. Do you overcome depression by counting the positive things or beneficial things in your life. Does thinking about those worse off help relieve depression. What do you do to let depression take a back burner in your life. Does depression last a long time or is it short lived. Does it have a color, like black or red. or weight or shape. Is it triggered by fever. Let us describe define and demistify depression. Perhaps together we can eliminate it as a symptom side effect cause or part of ms and our lives.

  • capitolcarol

    That is a very interesting thought that depression is anger turned inward.  I think most of us are angry because we have MS and "woe is me" syndrome.  It is very hard to think of the positive things in our lives sometimes but we can certainly think of those that are worse off.  I think, unfortunately, depression is a part of MS and our lives.    

  • maria1

    In 2011 I participated in a research project funded by the ms society with the U of Washington. It was a take control of ms project which lasted a year dealing with fatigue, depression or pain. Each participant would choose one symptom to work on. I shall dig out my notes, to see how I can share them with you. I shall also contact the U of Wash to see if they will help. 

    Although all these symptoms are part of ms (the study says) it should not get in the way of life acctivities.

    What I have learned is still working for me.

  • christinef

    I, too, have understood depression to be anger turned inward.  I don't believe out right anger will make anyone feel any less depressed though.  If I started walking around all pissed off, I doubt I would feel any less depressed and certainly not feel any 'better'. Depression gets worse for me when I sit in it. When I feel depressed, there is a 'baseline' feeling of sadness. My choice then becomes sit in it and entertain it or get out of self. For me, getting out of self is, do for others. Volunteer work, visit a friend, call someone and give them an ear (do the listening!) or go online and send an encouraging word somewhere. That 'baseline' sadness is still there, but it didn't get ugly. Prayer and Welbutrin is where I handle the 'baseline' stuff.

  • christinef

    I, too, have understood depression to be anger turned inward.  I don't believe out right anger will make anyone feel any less depressed though.  If I started walking around all pissed off, I doubt I would feel any less depressed and certainly not feel any 'better'. Depression gets worse for me when I sit in it. When I feel depressed, there is a 'baseline' feeling of sadness. My choice then becomes sit in it and entertain it or get out of self. For me, getting out of self is, do for others. Volunteer work, visit a friend, call someone and give them an ear (do the listening!) or go online and send an encouraging word somewhere. That 'baseline' sadness is still there, but it didn't get ugly. Prayer and Welbutrin is where I handle the 'baseline' stuff.

  • Marrgaa

    My depression is always there.  I take two antidepressants for it, and sometimes that is still not enough.  However, I know that when I wake up if I start with positive thoughts like "Today is going to be a wonderful day!", it really helps me get through the day a lot better.  Waking up and immediately giving in to the depression "I am going to be so tired this whole day long, I can feel it already" sets that tone for my entire day.  Sometimes I just have really bad days.  Most of those days include a lot of things on my plate (sweep the house, do the dishes, make dinner, watch my 2-yr-old granddaughter all day long and walk to the park), and they can easily overwhelm me.  But I pray a lot, and that helps alot - it helps me get things off my mind, helps me relax, helps me not feel so alone.  And my granddaughter lets me know I am loved :)

  • maria1

    Have not heard back yet from U/Wash but I am prepared to give you all the information I have learned from the project,

    But, I need you to say you want to participate. Which means I will give instructions and info once a week for two months, with homework. It is a commitment of several hours a week in the beginning.  Then there will be followup for several months. 

    If you want me to do this you must say so and agree to do the work. 

  • maria1

    Spoke w/Dr Ehde @ U/Wash today and we have permission to share everything about the project. It is copyrighted by the university of Washington. The, she said, do not want to make any money from the project and it will be posted @ the U/Washington soon. She has also agreed to speak with the navigator about the project and what they have learned, hopefully that will be one of the monthly discussions soon too.

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